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Postby Glabro » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:59 am

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Re: So it begins

Postby Seraph » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:52 pm



I'm going to throw a kickass end of the world party
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Re: So it begins

Postby Thinkharder » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:25 pm

Putin can't do shit - apart from stop flying close to other countries just to see what will happen. About time someone put him in his place.
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Re: So it begins

Postby Glabro » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:32 am

Thinkharder wrote:Putin can't do shit - apart from stop flying close to other countries just to see what will happen. About time someone put him in his place.



Russians won't start war over one 40yo plane being lost. If they lost SU-34 (sexy baby), that would piss them off, but not that one. But what for sure pisses them off is that most probably the Turkmens on the ground shot both (or at least one) of the ejected pilots dead before they (he) even hit the ground. That's barbarism. On the other hand those local dudes seem really wild and one cannot expect mercy from people you've just bombed. Live by the sword, die by the sword and shit, said our most holy lord Jesus. Amen.
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Re: So it begins

Postby Glabro » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:10 am

Just read some unconfirmed news that Russians have already carpet bombed the Turkmen villages around the place where the plane was shot down and pilots captured/killed.
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Re: So it begins

Postby Seraph » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:28 am

Glabro wrote:Just read some unconfirmed news that Russians have already carpet bombed the Turkmen villages around the place where the plane was shot down and pilots captured/killed.

Lol my roommate is turkish I'm gonna tell him his peeps got owned and laugh in his face, then we will smoke a joint together.

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Re: So it begins

Postby Glabro » Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:01 am

Seraph wrote:
Glabro wrote:Just read some unconfirmed news that Russians have already carpet bombed the Turkmen villages around the place where the plane was shot down and pilots captured/killed.

Lol my roommate is turkish I'm gonna tell him his peeps got owned and laugh in his face, then we will smoke a joint together.

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I guess it's still unconfirmed. I saw it on some pseudo news on FB yesterday, but didn't see a word about it on todays news websites. It can be that the info is a lie or it didn't go through the censorship filter in EU-kolkhoz.

Anyway, even if it is true it's TurkMENS, not Turkish, who got bombed. Two distantly related, yet different nationalities. Turkmens (not a slang name for Turks ;) ) in a nation living mainly in Turkmenistan (country) and also dispersed in some other asian countries including, obviously, northern Syria. Those are the ones, who were bombed by Russians and later killed those two ejected Russian pilots.

Obviously Russia won't let itself be provoked into an open war with NATO country unless it was sure that NATO will not respond and that it can crush it. Russia is not that big in offensive wars. Imho they just lack in that compartment cause you have to have it in your national mentality to be aggressive and good in offence. Russia is only great when defending the motherland or crushing weaklings (the latter being a speciality of all powers, I guess). Russians like to feel themselves being the righteous ones and need to feel betrayed and deeply hurt in order to muster themselves to kick ass. Meanwhile nations who believe themselves to be superior to others (i.e. nazi Germany or America - they are not the same, ofc 8-) , but definitely comparable: "Deutschland uber alles!" vs. "America is the best!") do always feel righteous (or almost always) and don't need to be kicked first in order to be aggressive. The overgrown form of patriotism does the trick for them.

What experts say (and I find reasonable) is that they will avenge themselves by starting to support Kurds (a nation of 40 million people which Turks try their best to exterminate already decades as a very uncomfortable minority) against Turkish air force and against ISIL by supplying them with modern heavy weapon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-30_Smerch) and air defence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_(missile)) systems (which tbh are Russia's speciality). I guess, when this happens, it results in more victories agains ISIL and several Turkish fighters/bombers being downed by Kurds, which up to now was not possible and Kurds were defenceless against Turkish bombs. When that happens you will be able to troll your roommate. :roll:
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Re: So it begins

Postby COMI » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:06 pm

Thinkharder wrote:Putin can't do shit - apart from stop flying close to other countries just to see what will happen. About time someone put him in his place.


Russia Deployed S-300 and S-400 systems into Syria in response, issued a statement saying anything perceived as a threat will be blown the fuck out without warning and proceeded to bomb the shit out of the area where the plane was shot down.

Kinda curious what you mean when you say Putin can't do shit since he has been walking all over NATO and the U.S. Since the Ukraine "crisis" began. I mean their bombing campaign in Syria started with a few minutes notice to the U.S. and they didn't do shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxTVwHXGfvI

http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/11/pre-ww ... -anti.html
http://news.yahoo.com/heavy-russia-raid ... 11296.html
https://www.rt.com/news/323431-saved-pi ... kish-su24/

Anyway Turkey would not have shot down the plane WITHOUT approval from the U.S. If you ask me this was a calculated move by the western coalition to TRY and put Putin in his place which backfired and gave Russia justification to deploy their most advanced missile systems in the area. This effectively turns the whole place into a no fly zone for non Russian allied aircraft. The only Aircraft that would be safe is the handful of the latest U.S. stealth fighters and even that isn't set in stone since the new s-400 systems haven't been in direct conflict with those jets.

http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2015/03/11/how ... lete_41895
http://www.airforce-technology.com/feat ... h-4332950/
http://breakingdefense.com/2014/04/f-35 ... -100-more/

Your move you smelly Scottish cuck.
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Re: So it begins

Postby Glabro » Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:50 am

Russia won't repeat Turkey's mistake by downing any NATO plane other than Turkish. i.e. France and US are operating its airforces in the area already and they are obviously NATO. Russia doesn't want an open confrontation with entire NATO, especially USA. On top of that France is the newfound friend of Russia lately (after Paris attacks) and Russia prizes such strategic partnerships (even for the sake of instilling discord in NATO).

That being said my guess is that Russians will do their best to destroy ANY Turkish warplane in Syrian airspace using S-300s and S-400s and all Russian bombers will from now on be escorted by fighters and will warn any Turkish planes (or suspect of being Turkish) from approaching them for the distance that is less than the one needed to lock the air-to-air missiles and if not heeding the warning will destroy them.

Top notch Russian fighters are generally better and better armed than Turkey's, so Turkish will just crawl back to their caves.
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Re: So it begins

Postby Thinkharder » Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:58 pm

COMI wrote:
Thinkharder wrote:Putin can't do shit - apart from stop flying close to other countries just to see what will happen. About time someone put him in his place.


Russia Deployed S-300 and S-400 systems into Syria in response, issued a statement saying anything perceived as a threat will be blown the fuck out without warning and proceeded to bomb the shit out of the area where the plane was shot down.

Kinda curious what you mean when you say Putin can't do shit since he has been walking all over NATO and the U.S. Since the Ukraine "crisis" began. I mean their bombing campaign in Syria started with a few minutes notice to the U.S. and they didn't do shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxTVwHXGfvI

http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/11/pre-ww ... -anti.html
http://news.yahoo.com/heavy-russia-raid ... 11296.html
https://www.rt.com/news/323431-saved-pi ... kish-su24/

Anyway Turkey would not have shot down the plane WITHOUT approval from the U.S. If you ask me this was a calculated move by the western coalition to TRY and put Putin in his place which backfired and gave Russia justification to deploy their most advanced missile systems in the area. This effectively turns the whole place into a no fly zone for non Russian allied aircraft. The only Aircraft that would be safe is the handful of the latest U.S. stealth fighters and even that isn't set in stone since the new s-400 systems haven't been in direct conflict with those jets.

http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2015/03/11/how ... lete_41895
http://www.airforce-technology.com/feat ... h-4332950/
http://breakingdefense.com/2014/04/f-35 ... -100-more/

Your move you smelly Scottish cuck.


Turkey DID give a warning that much I believe 100% - but they actually don't have too, if it was in their territory. They would NOT have needed US authorising to shoot it down. Plus they've said they didn't know it was a Russian jet until after the missiles had been fired. Turkey have never been friendly with Russia and have warned them many times over the last few weeks - this was pretty much inevitable.

The deployment of Russian anti air missiles is somewhat irrelevant - they won't shoot down anything unless they are absolutely sure it is a risk to their aircraft near Turkish airspace I guarantee it. Putin is crazy, but not that crazy.

By saying he can't do shit I meant he can't really retaliate in real terms - he can't attack Turkey directly cos NATO, he can't shoot down random planes cos NATO/US/France/etc... he's been pushed into a corner and it's about time someone did.

Glabro wrote:Russia won't repeat Turkey's mistake by downing any NATO plane other than Turkish. i.e. France and US are operating its airforces in the area already and they are obviously NATO. Russia doesn't want an open confrontation with entire NATO, especially USA. On top of that France is the newfound friend of Russia lately (after Paris attacks) and Russia prizes such strategic partnerships (even for the sake of instilling discord in NATO).

That being said my guess is that Russians will do their best to destroy ANY Turkish warplane in Syrian airspace using S-300s and S-400s and all Russian bombers will from now on be escorted by fighters and will warn any Turkish planes (or suspect of being Turkish) from approaching them for the distance that is less than the one needed to lock the air-to-air missiles and if not heeding the warning will destroy them.

Top notch Russian fighters are generally better and better armed than Turkey's, so Turkish will just crawl back to their caves.

Agreed he won't just go shooting things randomly but if any Turkish planes get near Russian ones they had better watch out - but even then they wont fire unless absolutely necessary.

Don't underestimate the Turkish military, especially their air force and air defences. They have a reasonably modern force backed with mainly US equipment. They have upgraded F16's which are (as already demonstrated) more than a match for many of the Russian aircraft in the area - I don't think Russia would risk one of their new shiny Su-30SM aircraft as if they lost one it would be rather embarrassing for them. Turkey also have NATO Patriot air defence missiles deployed on their territory.
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Re: So it begins

Postby COMI » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:08 pm

Think, you probably kiss prostitutes after you fuck em huh?
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Re: So it begins

Postby Seraph » Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:15 pm

COMI wrote:Think, you probably kiss prostitutes after you fuck em huh?

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